off Wikipedia:Axle articulation, a vehicle's ability to flex its suspension, measured by ramp travel index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articulation
you are thinking or an articulating joint same term different context.
us arguing tracker to jeep is like argueing apples to oranges, I'm not gonna flame on you for your tracker or your opinion, but you asked for someones responce
Actually, I said inspected cause you asked about onroad offroad or offroad only rigs, to I was specifying not trying to be a dick dude honestly.
firstly local it sounds to me like this is one topic your going to take personally no matter what is said. If you want to argue legality I must refer you to safety inspectors, your opinion is not going to cut the mustard. I have personally saw many trucks lifted pas 4" pass an inspection, and have buddies that have worked in ICBC inspection facilities. you sound preachy, like its your way or the highway, and I'm not down with that so if you want shit to get heated keep on with the mickey mouse remarks.
When done right leaf springs can achieve loads of articulation and still retain a solid on road feel free of death wobble. When ifs is done right it can also attain oodles of wheel movement however, I have never seen a long arm ifs built for the road ever. I wouldn't want to jump my solid axle at all ever, jumping an explorer with independent front end is actually pretty smooth. I've never jumped a tracker. dont think I would want to.
fs skid plates are a part of the main chassis of your vehicle. when it strikes a rock or gets high centered so does your chassis, I have 20" clear under my belly pan and 8" under my pumpkin I think, meaning that if my articulating solid axles remain in contact with the ground I can go up and over something potentially 20-30" given the right ground and surrounding conditions and keeping one tire on the high part.
it is really up to the end user what you want to run, keeping in mind that if you intend on running on the roads you must be within the confines of the law when it comes to lift tires parts ect. many kits sold will have Hiem joints for steering which are not legal to run in Canada! tires mus not stick out past the body, head lights must be at maximum only so far off the ground.
point in case before you decide to just rip into something do some research its free mistakes cost not only money but lives!
you asked for facts, fact is BAHA runners want something they can jump reliably, Lexus want comfort, torsion bars or (sway bars) are supposed to be an integral part of all suspensions weather its a solid axle or an ifs. yjs come with sway bars up front to maintain good on road qualities and track bars front and back to keep the axle centered
fact is solid axles work. then there's the old adage if its not broke don't fix it. well fifty years ago speed wasn't such a large factor. nowadays as guru said hes looking a MPH instead of KMPH with the advent of the speeding hyway comes the IFS front suspension. which is designed and built for going fast. the fact they designed one with a differential is not that awesome, they did it for the guys who need to go 160KMPH and still lock it into 4wd.
you got a better argument than that lets hear it buds.
ok I will bite! lol maybe we can get into another mud slinging match, IFS VS Solid front axle... i read in the jeep 4x4 performance hand book that one should want to achieve articulation balance, mis matching thing like ifs tortion bars with leaf springs in say a chevy 1/2 ton pick up doesn't allow for good balance. probably why expensive imports like Lexus have ifs all around. Ifs can be complicated when trying to lift when adding bigger tires and any thing more than 2' leaves one with alignment issues and cv axle joint angularity which will shorten your cv axle life. lifting a solid axle is much simpler and often the only issue is with steering angles, for which there are many solutions.
now that being said have any of you ever jumpped a 4x4 with a solid front axle, if you land nose down with one tire connecting first it will stuff that tire and throw the one in the air down as there is leverage from the tire to the spring to the other spring. often this will leave you on your side or worse unless executed perfectly.
in an ifs where one tire has no leverage upon the other (up front) the leading tire that connects first absorbs the impact and allows for the front end to settle out faster.
experiment time i dare you go buy a stock explorer and go jump that thing, those twin tractor beams work good in a landing.
or join island 4x4 and look up the ifs build in the build section, hes building a custom ifs with huge a arms and a completely centered 3rd member. this is being built to handle some of the worst 4x4 conditions out there. but hes also designing it from scratch. ie no lift for tires ext.
i read somewhere give me a few days to look where a gut tried to put ifs out of random things on the cheap and put them int a tracker i think.... not flaming just cant remember every detail... it ended up he broke almost everything in both sets of axles including cvs and ball joints so much carnage he scrapped the cheepo ifs idea and went solid with links.... let me try to find the thread. if you or i could obtain long arm ifs of our rigs it would be far supirior but much more expensive to maintain.. and being a broke little wheeler instead of broken is what us guys are all about..
I like your tip about the ebrake, it doesn't lock the diff, being you have spider gears it will never truly lock however a great trick if you are in a hole and one tire fires is to hit the brakes till it stops the one tire from spinning and allows transfer of power to both,
i suppose the conclusion one draws is really up to the user, I find that ifs front ends bulky and the skid plates dont help you make it over obstacles it just stops your truck. a solid axle the pumpkin moves with the tire so when you get your tire up on something you roll over it. an ifs may just tuck the tire and leave your skid still dragging rocks... any idea if this happens guru?
off Wikipedia:Axle articulation, a vehicle's ability to flex its suspension, measured by ramp travel index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articulation
you are thinking or an articulating joint same term different context.
us arguing tracker to jeep is like argueing apples to oranges, I'm not gonna flame on you for your tracker or your opinion, but you asked for someones responce
Actually, I said inspected cause you asked about onroad offroad or offroad only rigs, to I was specifying not trying to be a dick dude honestly.
firstly local it sounds to me like this is one topic your going to take personally no matter what is said. If you want to argue legality I must refer you to safety inspectors, your opinion is not going to cut the mustard. I have personally saw many trucks lifted pas 4" pass an inspection, and have buddies that have worked in ICBC inspection facilities. you sound preachy, like its your way or the highway, and I'm not down with that so if you want shit to get heated keep on with the mickey mouse remarks.
When done right leaf springs can achieve loads of articulation and still retain a solid on road feel free of death wobble. When ifs is done right it can also attain oodles of wheel movement however, I have never seen a long arm ifs built for the road ever. I wouldn't want to jump my solid axle at all ever, jumping an explorer with independent front end is actually pretty smooth. I've never jumped a tracker. dont think I would want to.
fs skid plates are a part of the main chassis of your vehicle. when it strikes a rock or gets high centered so does your chassis, I have 20" clear under my belly pan and 8" under my pumpkin I think, meaning that if my articulating solid axles remain in contact with the ground I can go up and over something potentially 20-30" given the right ground and surrounding conditions and keeping one tire on the high part.
it is really up to the end user what you want to run, keeping in mind that if you intend on running on the roads you must be within the confines of the law when it comes to lift tires parts ect. many kits sold will have Hiem joints for steering which are not legal to run in Canada! tires mus not stick out past the body, head lights must be at maximum only so far off the ground.
point in case before you decide to just rip into something do some research its free mistakes cost not only money but lives!
you asked for facts, fact is BAHA runners want something they can jump reliably, Lexus want comfort, torsion bars or (sway bars) are supposed to be an integral part of all suspensions weather its a solid axle or an ifs. yjs come with sway bars up front to maintain good on road qualities and track bars front and back to keep the axle centered
fact is solid axles work. then there's the old adage if its not broke don't fix it. well fifty years ago speed wasn't such a large factor. nowadays as guru said hes looking a MPH instead of KMPH with the advent of the speeding hyway comes the IFS front suspension. which is designed and built for going fast. the fact they designed one with a differential is not that awesome, they did it for the guys who need to go 160KMPH and still lock it into 4wd.
you got a better argument than that lets hear it buds.
try to keep you feelings out of it I know I have.
ok I will bite! lol maybe we can get into another mud slinging match, IFS VS Solid front axle... i read in the jeep 4x4 performance hand book that one should want to achieve articulation balance, mis matching thing like ifs tortion bars with leaf springs in say a chevy 1/2 ton pick up doesn't allow for good balance. probably why expensive imports like Lexus have ifs all around. Ifs can be complicated when trying to lift when adding bigger tires and any thing more than 2' leaves one with alignment issues and cv axle joint angularity which will shorten your cv axle life. lifting a solid axle is much simpler and often the only issue is with steering angles, for which there are many solutions.
now that being said have any of you ever jumpped a 4x4 with a solid front axle, if you land nose down with one tire connecting first it will stuff that tire and throw the one in the air down as there is leverage from the tire to the spring to the other spring. often this will leave you on your side or worse unless executed perfectly.
in an ifs where one tire has no leverage upon the other (up front) the leading tire that connects first absorbs the impact and allows for the front end to settle out faster.
experiment time i dare you go buy a stock explorer and go jump that thing, those twin tractor beams work good in a landing.
or join island 4x4 and look up the ifs build in the build section, hes building a custom ifs with huge a arms and a completely centered 3rd member. this is being built to handle some of the worst 4x4 conditions out there. but hes also designing it from scratch. ie no lift for tires ext.
i read somewhere give me a few days to look where a gut tried to put ifs out of random things on the cheap and put them int a tracker i think.... not flaming just cant remember every detail... it ended up he broke almost everything in both sets of axles including cvs and ball joints so much carnage he scrapped the cheepo ifs idea and went solid with links.... let me try to find the thread. if you or i could obtain long arm ifs of our rigs it would be far supirior but much more expensive to maintain.. and being a broke little wheeler instead of broken is what us guys are all about..
I like your tip about the ebrake, it doesn't lock the diff, being you have spider gears it will never truly lock however a great trick if you are in a hole and one tire fires is to hit the brakes till it stops the one tire from spinning and allows transfer of power to both,
i suppose the conclusion one draws is really up to the user, I find that ifs front ends bulky and the skid plates dont help you make it over obstacles it just stops your truck. a solid axle the pumpkin moves with the tire so when you get your tire up on something you roll over it. an ifs may just tuck the tire and leave your skid still dragging rocks... any idea if this happens guru?
Lol were on the other side of the world, too bad my tab doesnt translate.